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I've seen you around the community and you're a friendly dude. However, this application isn't to the extent that we want to be, hopefully you can improve it. I'll give you a few pointers, and I am happy that you want to learn more:

The role play situtations are poor. I see no evidence of P2L and no evidence of you using your radio, which would be needed in that situtaion to report it.

Moving onwards, I think the handbook quiz has copy and pasted answers. This does suggest somewhat a lazy attitude, but I can let it slide as you have obviously read the handbook to find the answer, haha!

Anyways, the backstory says two paragraphs, and there is hardly even one paragraph there. Please improve this, and my opinion will change.

Some postives are that your dedicated, wanting to actually do this and you have looked at the handbook, clearly. Also, in your RP, you have obviously shown you know what the suitable punishments are, by giving him 10 negative points and five cycles.

Anyways, I'm at neutral right now because I believe you can improve this.
Mullin said previously:

I've seen you around the community and you're a friendly dude. However, this application isn't to the extent that we want to be, hopefully you can improve it. I'll give you a few pointers, and I am happy that you want to learn more:

The role play situtations are poor. I see no evidence of P2L and no evidence of you using your radio, which would be needed in that situtaion to report it.

Moving onwards, I think the handbook quiz has copy and pasted answers. This does suggest somewhat a lazy attitude, but I can let it slide as you have obviously read the handbook to find the answer, haha!

Anyways, the backstory says two paragraphs, and there is hardly even one paragraph there. Please improve this, and my opinion will change.

Some postives are that your dedicated, wanting to actually do this and you have looked at the handbook, clearly. Also, in your RP, you have obviously shown you know what the suitable punishments are, by giving him 10 negative points and five cycles.

Anyways, I'm at neutral right now because I believe you can improve this.

Thank you very much, I have been trying to get CP for a while now but some of the handbook rules etc are a bit vague and I had other stuff to do, you telling most of my application flaws should help me make this WIP application better and making it completed.
Ah, it's much better now. You seem to know the basic information, I'm definitely going to be a +support now!
Mullin said previously:

Ah, it's much better now. You seem to know the basic information, I'm definitely going to be a +support now!

Thanks! 
So, here's my reasons for my verdict as stands application-wise.

1. Poor grammar/punctuation.
2. RP lines actually involve little P2L as it seems more like the units are powergaming than giving the other a chance to react.
3. Backstory is illogical. How would one man make a teleportation grenade? Did he work with Aperature of Black Mesa? If so, how did he survive their incidents.
4. Backstory is literally two run-on sentences, not two paragraphs. Yes, this is a bit picky but goes off of the punctuation issue forementioned.
5. As mentioned before the handbook answers are literally copy and pasted. Not only is it lazy, it violates the rules of the quiz:  [CCP Handbook Quiz -- This is a short response. Do not answer with one sentence, and make sure to provide sufficient content. Please use your own words.]

I'll watch you on the server to see how you actually perform, but as it stands I'm leaning to a negative support.
1. Poor grammar/punctuation.

Can you clarify? I don't really see any "poor grammar/punctuation" so it would be nice if you could point out the flaws in the application and your other statement saying that I copy and pasted the handbook answers yes it was my fault but I didn't realise at the time and fixed it and if you didn't see any of the previous messages and replies I stated that this application was a WIP or Work In progress and since it's a WIP here my reasons why it's a WIP...

A. My life is busy and I lots of stuff to do that includes loads of stress, art problems, family, etc.

B. Some of the elements of the "CCP Handbook" were a bit vague and I had to do extra research and in result made the application itself lower quality than usual

C. There was a lack of any criticism in my application which in turn makes me confused at times and overall makes the quality lower than usual.

2.  RP lines and what?

Please clarify what a P2L situation is, I have been looking for loads of sources looking for what a P2L situation is because there 2 definitions of it and if you are saying P2L means "Prepare to Live" it seems like the situations above where a pretty decent and accurate because of the fact that UNIT 319 saw an armed citizen, aka seeing an armed citizen beating another citizen up can bring up some red flags. Obviously, the units have a right to tell the citizen to get down on the ground because the citizen could easily injure one of the units while distracting the other and overall killing the small two-man group. I don't think it's power gaming since the citizen has the potential to kill both units and in turn is a big threat to any unit patrolling around.

3. This guy is a Scientist

He is a scientist, He works at his own lab and is funded by himself, few small organisations and the Government, he obviously used mice/other animals and robots to test his teleportation grenades and transports said tested teleportation grenades to the Government and other small organisations so in turn he has loads of cash and that lead him to survive the incident because...

 A. He has sci-fi weaponry and obviously, that is pretty handy in the incident and has been moving to the location to location to survive the combine.

B. Remeber the Government? Yeah, he works for them so he can call them and since he is on the government on his side (at the time) the troops can take out infantry while also helping them through, in the end, his tech did not save humanity because his research was kept in a safe area while also being hidden and well the place is flooded with the Combine. 

C. He has the necessary survival equipment to survive a long time aka Food, water, Filtration drinking tubes etc

In the end the 3rd point is pretty much invalid, you seem to rush to conclusions without thinking, he is a scientist with the government on his side with a bunch of sci-fi equipment that eventually was broken over time, obviously, he would have survived with all of his knowledge and technology or most of it at least.

4. No, just no

Two run-in sentences? Yeah totally, it's not like there is a giant block of letters. To be real with you, you are being a bit too picky, please just stop, at least point out the flaws of my work because you are helping no-one in this situation, an artist can't improve if they don't see the flaws of there work especially when you don't point them out.

5. WIP...

Refer to statement 1 "1. Poor grammar/punctuation."


Anyways, your criticism was not very helpful and was pretty picky and not informative, in short, please read my posts carefully and take time to think before you judge my application, these applications are time-consuming and pretty annoying and I could just leave but I want to become a CP since this is my first Half-Life 2 RP experience, so if you do have some soul left in you and have a rational mind please give out some criticism that helps me then throwing things at me that don't make any sense at all or are vague and confusing, anyways, hopefully, you understand that I have many things to do in my life other than HL2RP and I want to give my spare time to this server so I can experience it's unique and sometimes annoying but overall pleasant community, good day Mr Kibbles.



 
Hey guys it's me, videogamealty!

I'd like to address your complaints, at least those that I can explain without getting a massive headache, and point out why you should not be making your application in this fashion, nor respond to criticism with the hostility you are currently giving.

A. "Can you clarify? I don't really see any "poor grammar/punctuation" so it would be nice if you could point out the flaws in the application"
There are multiple typos in various sections of your application, issues with the flow of sentences, and a general lack of punctuation. Here are a few examples: 

1."UNIT 319 yells the uncivil citizens to get on the ground and sees a citizen on the ground is injured with multiple bruises and another that is dead with blood covering the floor"
I get the jist of what you're trying to do, but the way you go about it is nigh unreadable, lacking any sort of complexity or coherence. This is the way I would have done it.
"The unit yells at the belligerent citizens, telling them to get on the ground. He looks about the scene, noticing an injured citizen with multiple bruises, and a second, dead citizen, a pool of blood surrounding him."

2. *your entire backstory* It'd take much too long to go through your entire backstory and list all of the grammatical errors, lack of formatting, and typos. Here are a few pointers: Press enter twice to break a block of text into two paragraphs, and use my previous example to improve upon the rest of the errors.

B. " There was a lack of any criticism in my application which in turn makes me confused"
...What? There's more than enough criticism in the previous posts, you're just not taking the time to run your application through a spell checker.

C. "Please clarify what P2L is."
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=p2l+hl2rp No excuses here, you just can't use google somehow. 

D. "I don't think it's power gaming since the citizen has the potential to kill both units and in turn is a big threat to any unit patrolling around."
Pardon my french here, but...are you fucked in the head? "powergaming is forcing your actions on other players." In this situation, you did not give the other citizens a chance to react/retaliate, and because of this, you are powergaming. The threat of your character and others dying does not mean you should powergame, and attempting to justify doing so simply makes accepting your application more and more of a bad idea.

Lemme give you an example of a half-decent roleplay situation, done by yours truly: https://risehl2rp.mistforums.com/thread/no-ammo-mans-ccp-application-282314

E. " I want to become a CP since this is my first Half-Life 2 RP experience"
no, just...no. You do not join your first hl2rp server and immediately try to become a cop. You need months of experience before you are actually ready to join the force, let alone be ready to apply for the force. Letting someone like you into the CCP, with your hostility towards authority(forgive me for sounding hypocritical) and general stubbornness would just be an embarrassment, and make the server worse for it.

Thus concludes my post.

gimme ic ammo, rk. ayylien.

edit: also if it wasn't obvious a strong +red
My criticism was entirely just. Why be so picky? Because we want good people to be in the whitelist.
Again, I'm keeping my verdict. I hardly base things off the application alone and rather see you on the server.

If you haven't finished an application, then kindly do NOT post it and expect not to get criticized on that. Save it on a document and post the COMPLETED version once ready.

My points remain.
Kibbles said previously:

My criticism was entirely just. Why be so picky? Because we want good people to be in the whitelist.
Again, I'm keeping my verdict. I hardly base things off the application alone and rather see you on the server.

If you haven't finished an application, then kindly do NOT post it and expect not to get criticized on that. Save it on a document and post the COMPLETED version once ready.

My points remain.

1. I want to be criticised since I want to improve, I posted this so I could get some helpful information from the community but since you are being unhelpful, picky etc I can't get the necessary information that I need, I googled some stuff but most of it was unhelpful, vague etc and I have loads of problems IRL that I need to sort out besides HL2RP forum discussions because surprisingly I have goals and dreams who knew. please give me some slack or helpful criticism because at this point you seem to be creating these replies out of spite without actually taking the time to create anything helpful that will improve this post and ironically since you want to bring "good people on the whitelist" but in reality all you are you are doing is creating picky nonsense that is going to get rid of potentially great people to become CCP member but I beg to differ you will understand, please prove me wrong.

2. Your points were vague, unhelpful and most picky and as I stated earlier, I have lots of RL things that lower the quality of my WIP application, from someone who has some authority and power on the Rise community I should expect you out of all people to be more open-minded and to be willing to dish out some helpful criticism then giving me and others picky nonsense that does not help anyone, please actually give me something helpful here because you won't be seeing any changes to this WIP application or it being ever finished and in top shape quality because of your unhelpful picky "constructive criticism" that does not help anyone. I see you are trying to get some good people as CP because you want to avoid minges etc but this isn't the way, hopefully, you understand.
datoneboi879 said previously:

Hey guys it's me, videogamealty!

I'd like to address your complaints, at least those that I can explain without getting a massive headache, and point out why you should not be making your application in this fashion, nor respond to criticism with the hostility you are currently giving.

A. Can you clarify? I don't really see any poor grammar/punctuation so it would be nice if you could point out the flaws in the application
There are multiple typos in various sections of your application, issues with the flow of sentences, and a general lack of punctuation. Here are a few examples: 

1.UNIT 319 yells the uncivil citizens to get on the ground and sees a citizen on the ground is injured with multiple bruises and another that is dead with blood covering the floor
I get the jist of what you're trying to do, but the way you go about it is nigh unreadable, lacking any sort of complexity or coherence. This is the way I would have done it.
The unit yells at the belligerent citizens, telling them to get on the ground. He looks about the scene, noticing an injured citizen with multiple bruises, and a second, dead citizen, a pool of blood surrounding him.

2. *your entire backstory* It'd take much too long to go through your entire backstory and list all of the grammatical errors, lack of formatting, and typos. Here are a few pointers: Press enter twice to break a block of text into two paragraphs, and use my previous example to improve upon the rest of the errors.

B.  There was a lack of any criticism in my application which in turn makes me confused
...What? There's more than enough criticism in the previous posts, you're just not taking the time to run your application through a spell checker.

C. Please clarify what P2L is.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=p2l+hl2rp No excuses here, you just can't use google somehow. 

D. I don't think it's power gaming since the citizen has the potential to kill both units and in turn is a big threat to any unit patrolling around.
Pardon my french here, but...are you fucked in the head? powergaming is forcing your actions on other players. In this situation, you did not give the other citizens a chance to react/retaliate, and because of this, you are powergaming. The threat of your character and others dying does not mean you should powergame, and attempting to justify doing so simply makes accepting your application more and more of a bad idea.

Lemme give you an example of a half-decent roleplay situation, done by yours truly: https://risehl2rp.mistforums.com/thread/no-ammo-mans-ccp-application-282314

E.  I want to become a CP since this is my first Half-Life 2 RP experience
no, just...no. You do not join your first hl2rp server and immediately try to become a cop. You need months of experience before you are actually ready to join the force, let alone be ready to apply for the force. Letting someone like you into the CCP, with your hostility towards authority(forgive me for sounding hypocritical) and general stubbornness would just be an embarrassment, and make the server worse for it.

Thus concludes my post.

gimme ic ammo, rk. ayylien.

edit: also if it wasn't obvious a strong +red

1. I am not being hostile if you think I am that's your opinion but lots of people think I am because of my at times harsh or truthful criticism because usually at times includes satire.

2. I am open to any criticism and I am not stubborn if you think otherwise at least give a valid point proving so because at this point you are leaning to being an ignoramus

3. I understand now it's power gaming I will improve my application but calling me "fucked in the head" over some minor mistakes makes you yourself ironically "fucked in the head" and makes you also appear "stubborn" since you only look at one side of the argument and not seeing the other, I see you want some good and logical people roleplaying as a CCP member but doing this makes you look illogical and irrational human being.

4. My life is busy and I have loads of things to do and that since I lacked some criticism or helpful information it lowered and the limited amount of time I have at times lowers the quality of my application so expect some errors every now and again.

5. Google ( for me at least ) gives different results with different sites, give me at least some links to sites about P2L etc that aren't vauge.

6. Spending months on a server may be impossible to some and possible to others, some people have a life you know they have responsibilities, stress etc to deal with. Expecting me to spend a month of my time on a server I casually like and admire is absurd and really makes you look like you're "fucked in the head" and besides that the application you sent me that someone passed spent at least a week on the server so please do re-read your posts.



I see where you are coming from, you want someone logical, responsible and someone who has a decent amount of time on the server but your actions and behavior is ironical shows you are stubborn, ignorant, irrationally harsh and hostile and makes you look like an idiot, please try and be less irrationally harsh and close-minded and at try and put yourself in my shoes and see my perspective
 1. "so if you do have some soul left in you and have a rational mind" Forgive me, obviously this is incredibly truthful and fair criticism, and you are in no way being hostile. You being hostile is not an opinion, it is a cold, hard, fact.
Trying to skirt around/dismiss this fact as an opinion makes you seem unopen to criticism, and also makes you less and less of a viable candidate.



While I wait for you to edit your post into another block of text, I'll focus on a few of your other points I forgot to mention.

a."applications are time consuming"
This is subjective, but imo they're really not. I was able to dedicate around 30-45 minutes while idling on rise to my application, and I had something half-way decent by the end of it.

The application wasn't *perfect* by any means, but it was a hell of a lot better than your OUTLINE of an application. I've seen you be on the server for at least close to 30-45 minutes, so I'm sure you can spend that time arguing on the forums here and playing on the server to improve your application.

b. "Two run-in sentences? Yeah totally, it's not like there is a giant block of letters."

"A run-on is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e. complete sentences) are joined without an appropriate conjunction or mark of punctuation. For example: It is nearly half past five we cannot reach town before dark"

You're right, it's not two run-on sentences. It's more like ten. Saying your backstory is a giant block of letters does not make it any better. Saying that this criticism is also vague and picky? No, basic english knowledge is crucial to being taken seriously in roleplaying. You're not even taking the time to look up what these terms mean, which lessens my faith in this application even more.

I hate to repeat myself, but skirting around this/dismissing the argument with an excuse just makes you seem unwilling to listen to criticism, and less and less of a viable candidate.
datoneboi879 said previously:

 1. so if you do have some soul left in you and have a rational mind Forgive me, obviously this is incredibly truthful and fair criticism, and you are in no way being hostile. You being hostile is not an opinion, it is a cold, hard, fact.
Trying to skirt around/dismiss this fact as an opinion makes you seem unopen to criticism, and also makes you less and less of a viable candidate.



While I wait for you to edit your post into another block of text, I'll focus on a few of your other points I forgot to mention.

a.applications are time consuming
This is subjective, but imo they're really not. I was able to dedicate around 30-45 minutes while idling on rise to my application, and I had something half-way decent by the end of it.

The application wasn't *perfect* by any means, but it was a hell of a lot better than your OUTLINE of an application. I've seen you be on the server for at least close to 30-45 minutes, so I'm sure you can spend that time arguing on the forums here and playing on the server to improve your application.

b. Two run-in sentences? Yeah totally, it's not like there is a giant block of letters.

run-on is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e. complete sentences) are joined without an appropriate conjunction or mark of punctuation. For example: It is nearly half past five we cannot reach town before dark

You're right, it's not two run-on sentences. It's more like ten. Saying your backstory is a giant block of letters does not make it any better. Saying that this criticism is also vague and picky? No, basic english knowledge is crucial to being taken seriously in roleplaying. You're not even taking the time to look up what these terms mean, which lessens my faith in this application even more.

I hate to repeat myself, but skirting around this/dismissing the argument with an excuse just makes you seem unwilling to listen to criticism, and less and less of a viable candidate.

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datoneboi879 said previously:

 1. so if you do have some soul left in you and have a rational mind Forgive me, obviously this is incredibly truthful and fair criticism, and you are in no way being hostile. You being hostile is not an opinion, it is a cold, hard, fact.
Trying to skirt around/dismiss this fact as an opinion makes you seem unopen to criticism, and also makes you less and less of a viable candidate.



While I wait for you to edit your post into another block of text, I'll focus on a few of your other points I forgot to mention.

a.applications are time consuming
This is subjective, but imo they're really not. I was able to dedicate around 30-45 minutes while idling on rise to my application, and I had something half-way decent by the end of it.

The application wasn't *perfect* by any means, but it was a hell of a lot better than your OUTLINE of an application. I've seen you be on the server for at least close to 30-45 minutes, so I'm sure you can spend that time arguing on the forums here and playing on the server to improve your application.

b. Two run-in sentences? Yeah totally, it's not like there is a giant block of letters.

run-on is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e. complete sentences) are joined without an appropriate conjunction or mark of punctuation. For example: It is nearly half past five we cannot reach town before dark

You're right, it's not two run-on sentences. It's more like ten. Saying your backstory is a giant block of letters does not make it any better. Saying that this criticism is also vague and picky? No, basic english knowledge is crucial to being taken seriously in roleplaying. You're not even taking the time to look up what these terms mean, which lessens my faith in this application even more.

I hate to repeat myself, but skirting around this/dismissing the argument with an excuse just makes you seem unwilling to listen to criticism, and less and less of a viable candidate.

1. I understand know most parts of basic English it but the statement he places WAS picky, vauge and unhelpful because he did not point out or tell me what to do on how to improve because if he did I would have stopped from there and thanking him like that moderator, he was the first to give me actual helpful criticism and told me what to improve etc and in that made me actually improve, so in short just tell said person on how to improve and give reasons why it's bad.

2. Can you clarify why a giant block of letters explaining a character's backstory is bad?

3. If you are losing faith in giving out "constructive criticism" it isn't really going to change my applications quality, you have shown that you can be easily pissed off and easily pick a side without seeing the full story so if you do decide to actually give me some helpful criticism then I will listen to you and take careful notes but for now you are just a hypocritical closeminded individual.
See, I really do want to put myself in your shoes, but I simply cannot lose enough brain cells to do so. Lemme begin with a few more points, somewhat out of order.

1. "Can you clarify why a giant block of letters explaining a character's backstory is bad?"
    Sure. It's bad because the giant block of text is unpleasant to the eye, and the lack of any major punctuation(I will admit that you used one period, and 3-4 commas) makes it easy to lose your place in the backstory, and thus forget integral parts of your character.

2. "I understand basic English is crucial and I know most parts of it"
See, this is incredibly hard to believe because you lack any periods indicating the end of a sentence, and all of your points have been run on sentences, lacking any major punctuation other than quotation marks, commas, and *maybe* the occasional period.

3. "If you are losing faith in giving out "constructive criticism""
I'm sorry; when did I say this? I am legitimately confused. I am losing faith in your application, not constructive criticism.

4.  "you can be easily pissed off and easily pick a side without seeing the full story"
See, I do know the full story. I'm banned from this community for previous issues with Kibbles, hence my using an alt. That doesn't mean that I won't help the community as a whole steer away from bad decisions. On the topic of being easily pissed off: Yeah, I'll admit to that.

5."I am open to any criticism and I am not stubborn if you think otherwise at least give a valid point"
Here are a few examples. "stubborn, ignorant, irrationally harsh and hostile and makes you look like an idiot" "hypocritical closeminded individual" You are resorting to personal attacks/insults, and the criticism I *am* giving, you are mostly glossing over, not even mentioning/barely mentioning them.

6. "fucked in the head" over some minor mistakes makes you yourself ironically "fucked in the head"
Have you ever heard of the term...hyperbole? I am exaggerating/using sensational words for effect, to convey my point. If you're calling me easily pissed off, this point and the previous point would instead show you as easily pissed off.

7."Spending months on a server may be impossible to some and possible to others"
I meant in terms of general gamemode experience, not server experience. The application I listed was mine, and I have had years of experience prior, not to mention the overall improvement in quality over your current application. I don't know how much longer Rise will last, it's got 2 players one day, and 10 the next. Regardless, if you don't get the time to become experienced enough to join the CCP on Rise, so be it. There'll be another time, another server, another opportunity.

8. "google and different websites give different results"
Water is wet. Regardless, you would get fairly similar results typing in key words like "P2L Half-Life 2" "p2l gmod "p2l roleplay".

won't be on for a day or two, be back to arguing with ye later if this alt isn't banned by then
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